Comments on: Will the UK catch the Web 2.0 wave? Or a burst of Bubble 2.0? http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:49:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DropSend sold - but how easy is it to flip a web app these days? http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/comment-page-1/#comment-1624 DropSend sold - but how easy is it to flip a web app these days? Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:08:53 +0000 http://dev.mbites.com/?p=163#comment-1624 [...] - who for the record I like and I credit with being one of the guys who kicked off Web 2.0 in the UK - and I have had philosophical [...] [...] – who for the record I like and I credit with being one of the guys who kicked off Web 2.0 in the UK – and I have had philosophical [...]

]]> By: David Chassels http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/comment-page-1/#comment-180 David Chassels Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://dev.mbites.com/?p=163#comment-180 And how did the GYM club get<br />And how did the GYM club get going - technology but getting the message out call it PR maybe even "education". It is probably too late to take on these giants BUT not for the "application" that's still open for exploitaion. By the way I think Boeing use Rolls Royce engines still UK owned 60% employees in UK a success story by any standard. We just need more.... none in business software technology - why not? We have the skills we even have the drive to develop BUT we fail miserably on exploitaion. I put it down to negative attitude from buyers to journalists - don't take a risk if there is a "safe option".....We need more "can do" and self help - Americans buy from Americans and yes hype up propositions. They understand value drivers to creation of ecosystems = ecomomic and individual wealth. And how did the GYM club get
And how did the GYM club get going – technology but getting the message out call it PR maybe even “education”. It is probably too late to take on these giants BUT not for the “application” that’s still open for exploitaion. By the way I think Boeing use Rolls Royce engines still UK owned 60% employees in UK a success story by any standard. We just need more…. none in business software technology – why not? We have the skills we even have the drive to develop BUT we fail miserably on exploitaion. I put it down to negative attitude from buyers to journalists – don’t take a risk if there is a “safe option”…..We need more “can do” and self help – Americans buy from Americans and yes hype up propositions. They understand value drivers to creation of ecosystems = ecomomic and individual wealth.

]]> By: David Chassels http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/comment-page-1/#comment-181 David Chassels Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://dev.mbites.com/?p=163#comment-181 Maybe there is hope for UK? <br />Maybe there is hope for UK? So “The brave new 2.0 world means more power than ever before can be wielded by small teams of committed geeks” a sure route to more concern for the beleaguered business person who has been at the mercy of corporate geeks in the large US suppliers for the past couple of decades and at some price. BUT maybe some sanity and leadership might come from UK based Procession who have audaciously challenged thinking in application development. They have recognised that business fundamentals – people and their day-to-day tasks – the bit that is essential behind the new communication medium - the web. Let’s face it the geeks have not made a particularly good job of building applications with a reported success rate of 1 in 3 projects – not entirely their fault being expected to build applications that they know little about with a variety of tools that never quite deliver on promises - but nice earner for suppliers. The web has also now brought into serious doubt the value of traditional packaged applications which historically have been systems driven with little regard to the users. The web forces thinking to be user based which is perhaps why Web 2.0 was thought of as a new wave. It is in a way but without the business logic behind working effectively it could easily be a burst bubble. So what has UK based Procession done to bring about a paradigm shift in business software development? Let’s forget technology for a minute and look at these “tasks” It is possible to identify different task types that reflect all the actions that are need to enable a business to run. A database is required to allow collection and distribution of information and store such information as the users names and roles. Now if we could express these tasks as data inside the database and build a piece of software to control the distribution of the work as defined by the business we could be close to solving the problem. What we are doing is separating business logic which has and will not change as the business driver from the delivery mechanisms that have evolved since IT’s birth which are technology lead. The problem is that these “technologies” have confused the very basic fundamentals of how business works best even if many of them have in their own right been revolutionary in their time. Now these important deployment technologies, including the web, become components built in to allow choice but they are not in their own right fundamental to the application build. The result a TOA” Task Orientated Application” which codifies tasks and in a contained data centric environment which results a “generic” solution useable in any part of the business.” In one environment contains rules, calculations, BPM, workflow, events, roles, performers etc with real time reporting with matching agility at 20/30% of conventional cost. At a stroke at least doubles the success rate for software projects. The prime requirement becomes understand you business – in business terms. A spin off benefit – no need to send offshore development of coded solutions all taken care of in a TOA - the intellectual challenge is optimizing efficiency of the business operations with IT and users working closely together. Meanwhile exciting new ways will emerge to exploit the web around advertising, fashion, and media but the unless there is connection with the boring grunt work behind the glitz to make a business, a bubble it will be. Will UK miss out? Well remember TOA was born and deployed first in UK at the start of the next wave so we have a head start over the application build sitting behind the GYM club leaders. Can UK support exploitation? - History suggests not but the folks at Procession are going to give it a go …. Maybe there is hope for UK?

Maybe there is hope for UK?
So “The brave new 2.0 world means more power than ever before can be wielded by small teams of committed geeks” a sure route to more concern for the beleaguered business person who has been at the mercy of corporate geeks in the large US suppliers for the past couple of decades and at some price. BUT maybe some sanity and leadership might come from UK based Procession who have audaciously challenged thinking in application development. They have recognised that business fundamentals – people and their day-to-day tasks – the bit that is essential behind the new communication medium – the web. Let’s face it the geeks have not made a particularly good job of building applications with a reported success rate of 1 in 3 projects – not entirely their fault being expected to build applications that they know little about with a variety of tools that never quite deliver on promises – but nice earner for suppliers.

The web has also now brought into serious doubt the value of traditional packaged applications which historically have been systems driven with little regard to the users. The web forces thinking to be user based which is perhaps why Web 2.0 was thought of as a new wave. It is in a way but without the business logic behind working effectively it could easily be a burst bubble.

So what has UK based Procession done to bring about a paradigm shift in business software development? Let’s forget technology for a minute and look at these “tasks” It is possible to identify different task types that reflect all the actions that are need to enable a business to run. A database is required to allow collection and distribution of information and store such information as the users names and roles. Now if we could express these tasks as data inside the database and build a piece of software to control the distribution of the work as defined by the business we could be close to solving the problem. What we are doing is separating business logic which has and will not change as the business driver from the delivery mechanisms that have evolved since IT’s birth which are technology lead. The problem is that these “technologies” have confused the very basic fundamentals of how business works best even if many of them have in their own right been revolutionary in their time. Now these important deployment technologies, including the web, become components built in to allow choice but they are not in their own right fundamental to the application build.

The result a TOA” Task Orientated Application” which codifies tasks and in a contained data centric environment which results a “generic” solution useable in any part of the business.” In one environment contains rules, calculations, BPM, workflow, events, roles, performers etc with real time reporting with matching agility at 20/30% of conventional cost. At a stroke at least doubles the success rate for software projects. The prime requirement becomes understand you business – in business terms. A spin off benefit – no need to send offshore development of coded solutions all taken care of in a TOA – the intellectual challenge is optimizing efficiency of the business operations with IT and users working closely together. Meanwhile exciting new ways will emerge to exploit the web around advertising, fashion, and media but the unless there is connection with the boring grunt work behind the glitz to make a business, a bubble it will be.

Will UK miss out? Well remember TOA was born and deployed first in UK at the start of the next wave so we have a head start over the application build sitting behind the GYM club leaders. Can UK support exploitation? – History suggests not but the folks at Procession are going to give it a go ….

]]> By: Mike Butcher http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/comment-page-1/#comment-182 Mike Butcher Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://dev.mbites.com/?p=163#comment-182 Hmmnn.. The above comment jus<br />Hmmnn.. The above comment just reads like a load of PR guff to be honest. Apart from anything else, just because the UK invented "Task Orientated Application", as you put it, that hardly compares with the fact that Yahoo, Google and MSN where not invented here. It's a bit like saying that because a Brit invented the jet engine (Frank Whittle), 'we'll be alright jack'. Have you heard of Boeing? Er, last I heard they were a US company... Hmmnn.. The above comment jus
Hmmnn.. The above comment just reads like a load of PR guff to be honest. Apart from anything else, just because the UK invented “Task Orientated Application”, as you put it, that hardly compares with the fact that Yahoo, Google and MSN where not invented here. It’s a bit like saying that because a Brit invented the jet engine (Frank Whittle), ‘we’ll be alright jack’. Have you heard of Boeing? Er, last I heard they were a US company…

]]> By: Deirdre Molloy http://mbites.com/2006/02/20/will_the_uk_catch_the_web_20_wave_or_a_burst_of_bubble_20/comment-page-1/#comment-183 Deirdre Molloy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://dev.mbites.com/?p=163#comment-183 Mike, the Future Of Web Apps<br />Mike, the Future Of Web Apps was a really great moment for the UK technology scene I reckon [but will the moment deliver?], there was such a wide range of key stuff talked about, but not discussed - format problem!. The next <a href="<a href="http://www.nmk.co.uk/event/2006/03/30/beers-innovation-ugc">NMK Beers & Innovation</a> is on 30th March. It's on user generated content and there's an open call on suggested speakers so anyone can email me (see the NMK site link above or Google it) but it needs to be sorted by 9th March before I head off to <a href="http://2006.sxsw.com/interactive/">SXSW Interactive</a> ;) - Deirdre Mike, the Future Of Web Apps
Mike, the Future Of Web Apps was a really great moment for the UK technology scene I reckon [but will the moment deliver?], there was such a wide range of key stuff talked about, but not discussed – format problem!.

The next NMK Beers & Innovation is on 30th March. It’s on user generated content and there’s an open call on suggested speakers so anyone can email me (see the NMK site link above or Google it) but it needs to be sorted by 9th March before I head off to SXSW Interactive ;)

- Deirdre

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